
Family
Spirituality
Faith
is best served family style
The editors of U.S. Catholic
interview Kathleen O'Connell Chesto This interview originally appeared
in the June 1995 U.S. Catholic.
Religious faith isn't
like a loaf of bread you send your kids to the corner church to pick
up. "Religious truths need to be connected to experience, and that's
where parents come in," says Kathleen O'Connell Chesto. Passing on
the faith needs the parents' touch, and it's up to the church to "stop
convincing parents that it can pass on faith by simply sacramentalizing
their kids."
Chesto, a national consultant
on family spirituality and religious education, believes that people
have within them the religious truths to enrich their lives but haven't
developed the religious language yet to talk about them. She helped
develop the group FIRE - Family-Centered Intergenerational Religious
Education - as a religious-educational process to help people express
their spirituality in their families and faith communities.
Chesto holds degrees
in ministry and religious studies and is the author of Risking
Hope: Fragile Faith in the Healing Process (Sheed and Ward, 1990),
Children's Scripture Puzzles (Sheed and Ward, 1992), co-authored
with her daughter Elizabeth, and Why are Dandelions Weeds?
(Sheed and Ward, 1993).
What should religious
educators be telling parents?
I really believe we, as
a church, have to tell parents that we can't give faith to their children.
As long as we tell them we can do it, they'll let us. We're all busy.
If you tell me you'll wash my car every week, I'll let you.
So we have to come right
out and say the church is going to help you, but it cannot do the
work for you. You have to learn to depend on your own faith. The church
can help you raise moral children - people will come to a church that
offers to help them do that. We will teach you how to be nonviolent
and to cope with violence; we can teach you how to live a more happy
family life. But it is up to you to take it all on and live it.
The church needs to put
more into the hands of parents and live with the fact that parents
are going to flounder for a while before they look for help. If we
keep running in and picking them up, they're never going to realize
that they didn't learn to swim. We have to stop convincing parents
that we can pass on faith by simply sacramentalizing their kids.
Forming our kids' faith
starts at home?
Passing on the faith is
the role of parents, and the ability to talk about God starts in the
family. The role of the church is to identify the language and stories
of God and to share the stories of the larger faith community. But
if the development of faith doesn't happen in the family first, I
don't think it's going to happen when these kids come into church
at 6 or 7 years old. By the ages of 2 to 4, a child's morality is
already formed. Children have already developed whatever sense of
storytelling they're probably ever going to have. If parents don't
tell the story of their experiences through the eyes of faith, then
children will not find God in their own experiences. It was Moses
telling the story of Abraham to his people that helped his people
to understand the call.
The only people who are
telling stories to our children right now are on television. And the
problem isn't just the kind of stories they're telling; it's the reasons
they're telling them. We tell our kids stories so they'll grow in
wisdom and courage and will know who they are. Television tells them
stories to sell them. And if your child hasn't learned who he or she
is yet and what the family stories are, how can he or she decipher
the truths from the media and the importance of passing on these truths?
Are there problems in
the church that hinder passing on the faith?
First, I think the church
has a language problem that is not being confronted. When the church
talks about "passing on the faith," it often fails to recognize that
that means very different things to different people. For many parents,
"passing on the faith" means sacramentalizing their children. So when
the parish says to the parents, "We can't do this without you," the
parents hear the church saying it cannot baptize their children or
prepare First Communion services. Their reaction is: "Why not? It's
the church's job; it's up to the director of religious education to
plan all this. It's not my job."
If we are going to tell
parents we need them, we are going to have to clarify that we are
not talking about preparation for the sacraments but preparation for
life and initiation into a Christian way of living.
Would adult-education
classes work?
Parishes have trouble sponsoring
adult education because they believe that adults won't come. Children
have to come; parents make them. Adults only come if what we offer
meets their needs, and if it is actually good.
I think adult religious
education can work in fostering family values if we begin with people's
perceived needs. Adults in a parish often have a better idea of what
it is they need than the parish does. And they definitely know what
they are willing to come to. Most people are looking for help with
being family. We need to begin by teaching people how to be family;
at that point, they may be willing to learn how to be families of
faith and how faith can help them to be family.
How do we as a church
teach people to be family?
There are many good programs
for teaching parenting skills. If you want to start more simply, focus
on some basics. Tell stories, it's a beginning. Tell your child the
story of the night she was born or the story of why you chose his
name. It's such a human thing to tell stories - there's something very
dehumanizing about our loss of storytelling. My daughter just started
a writing course in which her first assignment was to explain where
her first name came from. Only 2 out of the 40 people in that class
could even answer that. None of the others knew why they received
the name they did. Don't you find that odd? How could parents give
a child a name and not explain where that name came from?
It is also a very human
thing to ritualize. We have to show people how what they already do
every day is holy, such as their rituals at bedtime. You have to tuck
the covers in just right or leave the door open and the hall light
on to keep away the monsters.
By the time children are
4 years old they know very well that all these "precautions" don't
keep the monsters away. It's not magic. But it reassures children
that as long as somebody loves them, there won't be any monsters in
their closet.
So children don't expect
any surprises in religion?
What they expect is for
the experience to be real. Children who participate in family rituals
are ready to go toward the eucharistic meal because they're not expecting
magic. They know that this is a ritual; therefore, it celebrates something
we believe to be real - that God is present. But if children don't
have ritual, children aren't given a chance to recognize and thus
truly celebrate church and the sacraments.
Ritual has an enormous
power to bind people. If you hear somebody in a restaurant singing
"Happy Birthday," you go ahead and join in. And you feel perfectly
free to say "Happy birthday" to that person as you leave - someone
you would never have spoken to otherwise - just because you celebrated
a ritual together. Think what ritual demonstrates about the possibilities
of our experiences in Mass and parish groups.
The Wolins, a husband and
wife team from George Washington University, did a study on alcoholic
families, particularly those families that succeeded in not handing
alcoholism on to the third generation. The one thing they found that
the "successful" families all had in common was rituals - they called
them ritual-protected families. The Wolins suggest that rituals made
the families secure and gave them a sense of identity and belonging.
What were some rituals
of these families?
They specifically mentioned
bedtime, mealtime, and holiday rituals. A drunk spouse was not allowed
to violate the family evening ritual - therefore, the families were
able to create a sense of secure space.
There are so many "normal"
things that encourage ritual: sitting in the same place at the table,
a particular way you begin the meal, thanking God for the guests at
your table. When my kids were growing up we always said a little prayer
about remembering the unseen guest, Jesus, at our meals.
Recently we experienced
a tragedy in our family and things went really black for us. I would
be jarred awake at night from a fear that would clench my stomach.
And the only thing that worked to ease this anguish for me was praying
the Memorare. I began to ponder the fact that we have a whole generation
of children who don't even know the Memorare. We need little prayers;
they're an easy thing for parents to teach their children and to do
with them.
The 19th-century founder
of kindergarten, Friedrich Froebel, said that if you pray over a baby
from the moment that baby is born, he or she will grow to be a person
of prayer. Often the church gives people big complicated rituals that
make them feel uncomfortable, but if you sit down for a meal, join
hands, and say something simple and pertinent to each person's day,
it doesn't make your kids feel weird - it's normal.
What exactly can parents
do for their children's religious education?
Religious truth needs to
be connected to lived experience, and that's where parents come in.
We go to church on Sunday to celebrate a sacred meal, a meal that
is to remind us that for the rest of the week there needs to be a
time in our day when we gather and have a meal to remember Jesus.
We celebrate Reconciliation
in church to remind us that we are in constant need of reconciling
ourselves to one another, of living as people of mercy and peace.
Without this carryover into everyday life, it is difficult for children
to see either the meaning or the purpose of our rituals and beliefs.
This carryover is only possible through the family.
Today, there are tremendously
divergent views on what is actually happening in religious education.
Some feel our children are learning all about self-esteem but none
of the "fundamentals" of the faith - information and history, rote
prayers, saints, and the meaning of holy days. Others believe children
today have a far more committed faith. There are conflicting reports
from the church hierarchy regarding the current state of our religious-education
programs. Bishop Raymond Lucker of New Ulm, Minnesota has said we
are in the middle of a great renewal in religious education. Whereas,
Cardinal John O'Connor of New York has reported that the United States
is experiencing a great crisis and nobody is learning anything.
It is time to stop arguing
about what is or isn't happening and time to start thinking about
what it is that we in the church are trying to accomplish and how
we'll do it. Everything the church tries to teach parents about God
and sharing their faith gets so "churchified." To be holy, a family
thinks they have to do churchy things. The whole idea of making a
family "the domestic church," which is a popular catchphrase among
church leaders, is church language. It says to me that the origin
of holiness is the church, and the family who wants to be holy must
imitate that. But that's backwards. I don't think we need families
to be domestic churches; I think we need churches to be families.
As church, we keep inviting families to come to us to learn how to
be church; maybe we need to go to them and learn how to be family.
Maybe then we will better understand and communicate the meaning faith
can have in their lives.
How did you learn to
pass faith on in your religious-education classes?
I believe that people have
within them the religious truths they need to know. What they lack
is a religious language to talk about it. I try to help families develop
that language and to use it with each other and their faith communities.
To do this, I helped develop
FIRE - Family-Centered Intergenerational Religious Education - in
our parish as a religious-educational process and a support system
for families. In the early 1970s, when we in FIRE first decided to
do this, I had read a book by the sociologist Peter Berger called
The Noise of Solemn Assemblies (Doubleday, 1961). In it, Berger charges
that we are inoculating our children with small doses of Christianoid
topics so that by the time they reach maturity, we have effectively
immunized them against any possibility of conversion. I was struck
by the truth in that statement and decided we could no longer continue
giving our children answers to questions they did not have. With FIRE,
we wanted to encourage our kids (and our adults) to ask the questions
we hoped to answer - questions about faith, scripture, morality.
One of our main objectives
was to create an atmosphere that gave rise to the questions. We eventually
found, through a lot of trial and error, that the best way to accomplish
this was through games and simulations that initiate questions about
individual experiences. We play games that teach specific religious
truths and stress strong family values and how to deal with confrontation,
conflict, and decision making.
People don't have enough
faith in children. We see them as incomplete adults. But our kids
have their own perceptions and their own understandings, and sometimes,
if we listened more, we'd find that their perceptions are more insightful
and logical than grown-ups' because they are not conditioned by society.
I am convinced that children are mystics until they are about 6. My
children have shown me that again and again. We're sacrificing a great
deal by not spending a lot more time listening to what they have to
say about faith.
In FIRE, we try to have
families of all different ages in a group. We begin with a game that
teaches a principle of faith and leads to a discussion that allows
families to voice some of their issues. For example, lying is an issue
for families, particularly with children at a certain age, and scripture
is full of characters whose lives were complicated by untruths. The
news media is another problem for parents of older kids. When we discuss
how the different stories of scripture came to be written, we discuss
the factors that influence the telling of all stories, particularly
those in our media. Some of the most profound insights in our groups
frequently come from young children, and the adults have to sit back
and really listen and learn from them.
When these communities
are formed, I find that people develop a tremendous sense of ownership
for their church and their faith. They are not so willing to be told,
"You must do it this way." When people do take on this sense of ownership,
there needs to be a pastor who is reasonably self-confident and unthreatened.
We had that kind of a pastor, and his personality enabled us to do
something different.
And different for you
was the formation of FIRE?
Yes. A group such as this
is needed - even more today than when we started - because I believe
that if society really took the problems of today's families seriously,
one of the first things we would try to do is build better support
systems.
Christianity, especially,
is a good beginning because it is becoming more and more countercultural.
What I mean by this is that Catholicism is moving away from those
cultural values that over the years Catholics have incorporated into
religion that really don't belong there. Puritanism and the work ethic
are examples - they're not Catholic, we don't believe our worth is
based on what we do.
Catholics have incorporated
the prudishness of Victorianism, which denounces the goodness of the
body, and we called that purity. But we are starting to disassociate
from this cultural baggage. Many religions that have always understood
themselves as countercultural, such as the Mormons and the conservative
Jews, have relied on strong family support systems, and we have to
start looking to them for help in laying our foundation.
Ultimately, the idea behind
FIRE was to bring people to prayer, to quiet them down in their busy
lives, to surprise them by opening them up to an experience of God.
If you don't teach people to pray, I don't really see any point in
teaching them religious education. Why walk around with a lot of religious
information in your head if it doesn't work for you with prayer? Religious
information doesn't necessarily lead to a relationship with God. When
people learn about George Washington, educators don't expect them
to have a relationship with George. But the church goes ahead and
teaches them all about God as if that's going to lead to a relationship.
You don't think religious
information alone will forge a relationship with God?
I think that when you develop
a relationship with anybody, you become hungry for everything you
could possibly know about that person. And religious education has
to be about creating that hunger first, and then working at satisfying
that need.
One of the things I've
found over my years of teaching is that people want more - more about
God, more about the church, more about support. And I worry about
people the church isn't servicing. People are saying they're not getting
the basics. I really suspect they feel they are missing much more.
And that brings us to defining just what the basics of the Catholic
Church are. The most basic point of our faith is a love relationship
with God and Jesus that influences our whole lives. Everything else
is secondary.
We are too focused on teaching
our kids to memorize. Kids acquire the real basics of faith by living
them in families. By supplying children with pat answers to faith
questions, we rob them of the opportunity to ask their own questions,
to use their own experiences and knowledge to find their own answers.
We ask the wrong questions.
We don't take time to find out their real questions. We send out these
god-awful tests and then decide the kids don't know anything because
they can't answer the questions the way we ask them. Nobody sits down
and talks with the kids to discover what they don't understand.
Does FIRE help lead
to a relationship with God?
When FIRE first started
in 1975, we would ask ourselves, How do we get people to take this
faith concept home? In FIRE, we teach theology by asking how people
experience this in everyday life, and then we recreate that experience.
For example, when we teach the Resurrection, we discuss the possibility
of a major family move. For the Eucharist, we celebrate a family reunion
then examine what we have done in comparison to the Order of the Mass.
If we as a church want
to educate our children to be grown-up members of the church, we need
to do it in something that looks like a church. So a group of us spent
a lot of time praying together and decided we wanted our church to
look like a community, a community of families. And in FIRE, we designed
a religious-education process that looked like what we hoped church
could become - a community.
FIRE captures that innately
theological bent in all of us and works to teach us all better ways
of being family. By breaking people up into subgroups for discussions
during our meetings, family members get a chance to see how other
people parent and gain support from this community for their own parenting.
What are some of the
other ways that the church could help people to recognize their own
experience as sacred?
People generally underestimate
their experiences of the sacred. An individual doesn't like to come
forward and publicly say, "Here's a holy thing in my life." And many
wouldn't want to label situations, conversations, or even prayer as
sacred. It seems that we're consciously, or unconsciously, choosing
to live a less full life just because we don't know how to recognize
our riches. For example, the church has spent seven centuries arguing
about whether or not people who are sexually intimate could pray.
You know that is really scary. People pray better if they abstain
from sex? Those of us who chose to marry have been led to believe
this has made us less holy.
You don't have to be a
parent in order to understand parenting - everybody comes out of a
family. And you don't have to have a baby to be a good obstetrician,
but I think it helps. We have to start preaching and teaching in a
way that helps people to see the sacred in the ordinary. People who
recognize the ordinary as sacred are the best equipped to do this.
I have a wonderful pastor who's a wonderful preacher and who really
tries to make the connection, but I really think he's an exception.
You have to know your history
in order to ask, Where does it all fit in? You can't teach parents
about sacraments without teaching them the why behind them, because
the sacraments without history would just be magic. And if you attempt
to revise those sacraments without realizing what a ritual grows out
of, you are in danger of changing the whole point. Researching our
religion and history is good, but we need to be more radical than
that. We've got to start with the kinds of things that not only encourage
people to become involved in the religion but also become involved
as a family. For example, if a child is assigned to find out something
about Abraham and the covenant he made with God, and her parents are
not even sure how to look up Genesis 12 or his parents don't even
have a Bible, those parents might feel threatened. And the response
that child meets is one of anger. Instead, make it an assignment for
children to go home and talk about God and Abraham with their parents
by finding out when his or her parents decided to get married - that's
a covenant, too. You're taking religion class into the home but getting
it in the way that the parents feel absolutely comfortable with and
in control.
What are some other
ways parents can connect family ritual with religious lessons?
The church needs to begin
to make some of those connections for people in teaching and preaching.
When you talk about Eucharist, discuss decorating the Christmas tree.
That's a ritual in almost every Christian family. Everybody saves
decorations and tells the story of this or that decoration from kindergarten
or nursery school. That's what we Catholics do in Eucharist, we come
together with special symbols to celebrate and tell our story with
special foods. Discuss what other families do, or suggest they take
time out after a family group activity.
All this will work to allow
parents to reinterpret the home in light of the religious story, which
is no small task - it takes some thinking and support.
What is it about the
US culture that shies away from seeing our lives as sacred?
It's not just the individualistic
strain in the US, but it's also our self-sufficient, competitive attitude:
"I not only can do it myself, I can do it better than you." We Americans
don't like admitting our weaknesses or our vulnerabilities. But I
don't think we can have true community without experiences of weakness.
We're a part of such a
violent culture that there's this enormous protective instinct in
all of us to want to screen out everybody that we don't know because
nobody's to be trusted anymore.
That's what we're hearing
and that's terrifying. The get-ahead mentality that makes us put materialism
before family - people who get married want to really get ahead first
in their careers - that's doing a real disservice to our children.
How do you apply a value
system without making your kids look like nerds?
I don't think you should
make kids feel really strange and out of it. For example, they need
to wear the clothes that their peers are wearing. By the time my kids
reached junior-high age, they desperately wanted name-brand clothes
for school. I finally gave in because it was such a battle every year
over school clothes. I gave each of them x-amount of money as a clothes
allowance to last the entire year. I told them that if they wanted
to spend the whole thing on one pair of jeans, to go for it, but don't
ask me for anything else. So, of course, they each blew it the first
year and lived with a very limited wardrobe. Now they've learned to
be great bargain shoppers.
Kids need to know where
their limits are and parents need to be very firm about those guidelines.
We haven't taught people how to set limits, and kids need boundaries
- that's how they learn. If there's nothing to push against, they
fall on their faces.
As a parent and educator,
what do you think about sex education?
I definitely think people
are selling kids short. Sex education is necessary, but the idea that
sex education is somehow going to slow down the sexual revolution
is nuts. The more you can know about your body, the better off you
are. As long as it's all done in a reasonable context.
As a society, we have made
so much of sex that I think we have set our kids up for enormous disappointment.
If a relationship doesn't turn out to be sexually wonderful, well,
then we'll move on to another one. I don't believe in valueless education
- things are right or wrong. And while there are certainly many degrees
of right and wrong, there is no value-free point somewhere in the
middle.
You know there's a normal
progression the human being takes from hating people of the opposite
sex, to kind of being interested in them, to wanting to be in groups
with them, to wanting to be in smaller groups, to wanting to be alone
and intimate with one person, to then becoming committed. The sooner
you do the dating, the sooner you're reaching the end.
If we push 7-year-olds
to have boyfriends and girlfriends, do we see where we're going? Probably
the biggest fights my husband and I had with our kids was holding
to the 16-year-old dating line. Of all the rules, that was the one
that they felt really singled them out as odd. And yet by the time
they reached 16, they didn't want to date, they went in groups. And
when it was okay at 16, it didn't have the power and allure over them
that it might have had at 14. As parents, we need to stand together
to set some reasonable dating limits.
What would you say is
the most important thing we as church, and as parents, can do to help
our children live moral lives?
Kids are driven to be a
part of society and to do what their peers are doing. One of the things
we must do is teach our children to question everything, which is
one of the reasons people are nervous with programs such as FIRE.
But that's where learning comes from. It is important for children
to question the values that parents have chosen and for parents to
share the values they've opted for.
Ultimately, as parents,
the greatest gift we give our children is the freedom to choose for
themselves. You're a good parent if you've become a good person in
the process of parenting. We have to let go and allow our kids to
choose what they're going to become. And we need to let our children
in on some of the choices we make in the name of family. When I was
pregnant with my third child, a high-risk specialist told me that
we should perform an abortion because there was the chance that my
baby would not live nor lead a normal life and that my own life was
threatened. My children were only 4 and 5 at the time, but we discussed
this advice. We told our children what Mom and Dad believed about
life and explained my difficult pregnancies with each of them and
how they had struggled to survive. As a family, we decided that we
were going to go through with this pregnancy - and Liz was born.
Years later I recall a
dinnertime conversation when Liz told us all about a discussion her
sixth-grade class had on abortion. She explained that although she
didn't agree that abortion was right, if a doctor believed that the
baby is probably not going to survive nor lead a "normal" life or
that the mother could die, then abortion would be the right choice.
And my other two kids just turned to her and in the same breath blurted
out, "But that's exactly what the doctor told Mom about you." She
just went absolutely gray. It changed her thinking radically.
I remember another family
discussion about premarital sex. I needed to express myself in a way
that 10-year-old Liz could understand, "You know when you have a secret
with one person and how close you feel to that person?" (She understood
that.) "But if you share that secret with a lot of people, it's still
a good thing and nice to know, but you don't feel the closeness anymore?
The intimacy of sex is supposed to give us that bond, and if you share
it with too many people, it doesn't have any power anymore."
That sex is just not powerful
was a good thing for her to hear - it's a real answer, she understood
where I was coming from. My kids have understood that and carried
it with them. And I think the fact that my husband and I are faithful
to each other has to have a lot to do with their sense of values.
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